Go Back   Music Forums - Music Forum - The Music Community > Musicians Corner > Music Theory

Music Theory Ask and discuss all that you know about music theory.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-26-2010   #1
Trainee
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3
HarmonyNoob123 is on a distinguished road
Question heaps of questions!

hey folks

first of all excuse my english, i'm not a native speaker i would be very happy if you could help me and answer the following questions.

thank you very much!

Chords
Does electronic music (especially electro) have chords? And which instrument usually plays the chords in electronic music? I quess it's a chord-playing synthesizer? If yes, how has the chord-playing synthesizer to sound like (the same as the lead-synth)?
And is it possible do make musik without chords (techno)?

Counterpoint and adding of other instruments to the melody
How can i figure out what the bass is playing according to the lead instrument's melody? -> Is it just about counterpoint and nothing else? (Counterpoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And if I want to add additional instruments (especially e guitar or strings) is it only about counterpoint-theory as well?

i hope you understand my weird questions otherwise feel free to ask for explanation.

thank you very much!
HarmonyNoob123 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010   #2
Senior Member
 
green.earth.al's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 117
green.earth.al is on a distinguished road
Default

It is definitely possible to make music without chords.

Different chords can help to establish certain moods. Chords don't always have to be sounded simultaneously, there can be split chords. Keyboards can and often do sound simultaneous chords even in techno and electronica. Though many composers of techno and electronica don't really have any pressing desire to impress people who have studied a lot of music theory and instead have as their goal just creating something trance enducing --something that's still enjoyable even when repeated many, many times.
__________________
"How did I become an EMCEE? BEATS ME! Not what folks usually/ decide to be/ at 33." -me

green.earth.al is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010   #3
Super Moderator
 
SmokeScreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Las Vegas, Nv
Posts: 908
SmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to behold
Default

I'd wait for IFeelKindaLocrian and/or Muzoid to respond to this bcuz they usually have the most insight(at least from my experience in this section of the forum) and will give the most information about your questions. Id prolly say something and then just have it reiterated(sp?) but more in depth by either one of them. So wait til they see the thread and im sure theyll be happy to give any help they can.
__________________
FINGER TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE!!!

If there were no rewards to reap,
No loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now.
SmokeScreen is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010   #4
Trainee
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3
HarmonyNoob123 is on a distinguished road
Default

thx a lot green.earth.al for your explanation!
and thank you as well Wholksdaskppy. so i'll wait for further information
HarmonyNoob123 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010   #5
Senior Member
 
IfeelKindaLocrian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 193
IfeelKindaLocrian is a jewel in the roughIfeelKindaLocrian is a jewel in the roughIfeelKindaLocrian is a jewel in the rough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HarmonyNoob123 View Post
hey folks
Chords
Does electronic music (especially electro) have chords? And which instrument usually plays the chords in electronic music? I quess it's a chord-playing synthesizer? If yes, how has the chord-playing synthesizer to sound like (the same as the lead-synth)?
And is it possible do make musik without chords (techno)?
Almost every song has chords, also in electronic music. The chords are maybe less defined cause of the use of synthesizers and ambient noises.
Often a melody implies certain chords, which are not played. An electronic melody without the use of chords implies chords within the key of that melody. For example, if a melody of a song consists of only 3 notes, lets say E G and B, there's a fat chance it's played over an Em in the key of Em although Em is not played at all.

The sounds of the instruments dont have to be the same for the melody and harmony. It think it would sound rather boring.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HarmonyNoob123 View Post
Counterpoint and adding of other instruments to the melody
How can i figure out what the bass is playing according to the lead instrument's melody? -> Is it just about counterpoint and nothing else? (Counterpoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
You cant figure that out (in case there's no bass line). It's what you WANT. Lets take the first example again where the melody is only playing E, G and B. The most logical thing to do -because it sounds most consonant- is to drone the E note on the bass, or play lots of E's. But again, that would bore people out. You can also choose to play C's in the bass which makes the overall chord a Cmaj7 (C E G B). This will spice things up a bit. But by only hearing the melody, you cant figure out the intended bass line as every musician has their own intentions with a piece.

In case you mean: how do i find out the notes that the bass is playing by using the melody as reference? (in case there IS a bass linke) Then my answer would be: find out the key of the song, and find out which notes the melody is playing (for any chord changes) and listen carefully if you hear the bass changing notes, cause it happens a lot that the bass is playing the rootnotes of the (implied) chords.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HarmonyNoob123 View Post
And if I want to add additional instruments (especially e guitar or strings) is it only about counterpoint-theory as well?
No, it's about playing what sounds good. The ear is number one judge, theory is only to guide people, not to decide.
__________________
You have a pretty Fmaj7.

Last edited by IfeelKindaLocrian; 02-26-2010 at 01:14 PM.
IfeelKindaLocrian is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2010   #6
Trainee
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3
HarmonyNoob123 is on a distinguished road
Default

thx a lot IfeelKindaLocrian, you've just made my day

so, counterpoint-theory is not required in modern music?
HarmonyNoob123 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2010   #7
Super Moderator
 
SmokeScreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Las Vegas, Nv
Posts: 908
SmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to beholdSmokeScreen is a splendid one to behold
Default

Definately not required but helps keep things interesting
__________________
FINGER TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE!!!

If there were no rewards to reap,
No loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now.
SmokeScreen is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
Copyright 2007 MuzicForums.com
Sh3lls.net Premium Web, Shoutcast and IRC Shell Hosting Sedo - Buy and Sell Domain Names and Websites project info: muzicforums.com Statistics for project muzicforums.com etracker® web controlling instead of log file analysis
     

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87