oh my bad, honestly i didnt mean to post that here, i was thinking i was in a different thread. i hear you on your post. my apologies Mahasamatman

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Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death,

I will fear no evil, cause I'm the biggest son of a b***ch in the Valley

its a wonder how the vagueness of this genre has gotten to. im gonna move this to the lounge. no point having it here.

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well its like if you took nickelback and stepped up the distortion but did nothing else to change the music, would that be metal than?

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Why not? Admittedly, I'm not much of a metal purist, but I don't see why that doesn't fit.

I'll let Extreme Metal Fan, take this one.

i appreciate you not getting into it Neverlife. thanks

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I mean im not a "true metal" purist kinda guy either, i just feel there has to be more to the sound than just a heavier distortion on the guitars, it has to be the music as a whole.

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and to add onto that. if you think about it, if a band doesn't look at the music as a "whole" but just for the guitars, that band wouldn't be up in the ranks as the others

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It isn't the distortion that makes the metal, it are the guitar riffs that do. If you play a metal riff on an acoustic guitar it'll still sound like metal... Just not played loud enough. But it's not only the guitars that make metal, but also the voice and lyrics.. And from that point of view NU metal usually has metal lyrics, and mostly metal voices.

I think metalfans should relax and accept NuMetal as a part of metal. A soft part, but nontheless a part. If you say numetal isn't metal then how about power/symphonic metal? Put those in with classic ?
Bottom line is: numetal has more in common with powermetal than it has with rap or hard or core. A lot of bands who were known as just plain metal profiled themselves as NUmetal after the genre became widly spread or the term became known around town.

Rage Against The Machine and Faith No More even have Nu metal influences, long before the genre became known.

The growth of nu-metal was lineair and originated from metal. You take a metal-song, plunge in some samples, some rapping lines, a bit of punk even and if you really want to: a dj, and what do you get? Nu metal. The point is: the vocals and the guitarwork are still metal... METAL... nuMETAL --> see the resemblance?

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